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Post by packdog on Jul 26, 2016 15:32:55 GMT -5
i am making this thread in response to saska's inquiry and interest. if anyone has anything else they want to discuss feel free to ask and debate. i welcome the opposite view. for a base of how i formed my beliefs i will lay down some of my secular credentials in these matters
i graduated Summa Cum Laude in 2010 with degrees in History, Interdisciplinary Social Science, and Religious Studies with a minor in Anthropology from Florida Atlantic University. as you can see i didn't take any BS classes and focused on what i was interested in. at the point of graduation i was a fresh born again Christian by less than a year. my studies were the biggest influence in my conversion. i gave a short synopsis in the inspiration thread for those interested
my main thesis from a religious perspective is that man as god is truly the only religion outside of the Monotheistic religions, and even within them i can see Islam and other branches of Christianity and Judaism (Mormonism, Kabbalah, Catholicism etc.) as such though admittedly it's more challenging to make case for it and prolly not fitting at an individual level for most. i'll start with Darwinism and evolution
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Post by Jeppers on Jul 26, 2016 15:36:59 GMT -5
Better ask the congregation if you can post this. The political correctness has finally hit the CTM.
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Post by Doc on Jul 26, 2016 16:01:07 GMT -5
Better ask the congregation if you can post this. The political correctness has finally hit the CTM. I don't want it to be a political correct type of place, Jeff. Think that's one of the things that is really messing things up in our country. Now I'm all fucked up
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Post by Jeppers on Jul 26, 2016 16:10:55 GMT -5
Once you abandon your principles,you have nothing left. You have been had. You are a shell.
I wont abandon my principles for noone. Not even my own kids.
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Post by Doc on Jul 26, 2016 16:18:26 GMT -5
Once you abandon your principles,you have nothing left. You have been had. You are a shell. I wont abandon my principles for noone. Not even my own kids. I'm at a crossroads on this still, Jeff. I truly would like for the place to expand, but also don't want it to be some politically correct type of place, where you can't have an opinion on touchy topics. There is such a thin line between the two, that I don't know what to do right now. I am not a shell, lol. I am still the same person I have always been, but maybe a tad bit more mature and less temperamental.
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Post by packdog on Jul 26, 2016 16:31:05 GMT -5
Saska mentioned the evidence points toward the Big bang and evolution as the most likely truth in these matters. to say so requires an incredible amount of faith that most don't realize, though some of the most acclaimed evolutionists will admit is a faith they prefer. for example, Huxley, referred to as Darwin's bulldog, admitted as such...
" `Creation,' in the ordinary sense of the word, is perfectly conceivable. I find no difficulty in conceiving that, at some former period, this universe was not in existence, and that it made its appearance in six days (or instantaneously, if that is preferred), in consequence of the volition of some preexisting Being. Then, as now, the so-called a priori arguments against Theism and, given a Deity, against the possibility of creative acts, appeared to me to be devoid of reasonable foundation."—*Thomas H. Huxley, quoted in *L. Huxley, Life and Letters of Thomas Henry Huxley, Vol. I (1903), p. 241 (1903).
but he's just the tip of the iceberg and one of the first. nowadays most evolutionists are so ardent they can't admit what the forefathers or true experts in the field know to be the truth. let's take the fossil record as the next example.
Darwin theorized we would find thousands of transitional fossils in time. problem is we never did and they few examples that are pointed to are often clouded with misrepresentation, like whale fossils and the famous archeopteryx. as such, the fossil record and dating of such finds is now considered the poorest measure of evolutionary proof by evolutionists themselves. but in textbooks we still get whale fossils that are distorted to insinuate evolution and archeopteryx is still the champion of dinosaur to bird evolution. in texbook illustrations they change the size of the whales fossils to make it look seemless. in actuality they range by a good margin. and for birds, Alan Feduccia, an expert on birds and their evolution, has concluded that “there has never been, nor is there now, any evidence that dinosaurs were endothermic.” Feduccia says that despite the lack of evidence “many authors have tried to make specimens conform to the hot-blooded theropod dogma. In 2011, scientists uncovered a fossil in Liaoning, China, whose combination of features unexpectedly suggested Archaeopteryx was actually just a relative of the lineage that ultimately gave rise to birds. that bird dinosaur was just an extinct bird all along
my personal problems in my classes dealt more with the New World primate fossil record and human evolution from primates. for New World primates, to explain a 35 million year gap in the record it is theorized a population of Old World primates somehow made it to South America, likely on a breakaway piece of land from Africa or they made it to Antarctica and then South America and gave rise to all the primates there since. for hominids, outside of the hoaxes and black market fiasco, you get massive variance on theories and ideas based solely on the opinion of the finder. textbooks in china, france, and other countries will tell a different tale than the ones in America
as an evolutionist, you just have to accept this stuff. why? to make it fit. Darwinism is the only science where evidence is taken as a faith to fit into the theory. there is no other option to be considered or tested. it just has to be. it runs counter to the other sciences in this regard
another example of the high amount of faith in evolution is the theory of biogenesis. an early proponent of such admitted he needed faith...
"It is therefore a matter of faith, on the part of the biologist, that biogenesis did occur and he can choose whatever method of biogenesis happens to suit him personally; the evidence of what did happen is not available."—*G.A. Kerkut, Implications of Evolution (1960), p. 150.
i could get into probability but i'll leave that alone for now. lets get to why it elevates man as god
i think it's a religion man loves and besides the obvious of elevating mankind to the highest position on the evolutionary scale it feeds our desire to be special. it's why things are backwards and the concept of observation to is thrown out the window in favor of fitting things in, like a puzzle piece that may not fit perfectly but with enough force we can make it work. "ye shall be as gods" fits like a glove when we consider where the theory places us. it eliminates the logical need for a Creator (something coming from nothing) and places man as the driver, or explainer, or creator, of where we came from. by taking what we can't know as faith and labeling it a likely scientific certainty we just move the onus of the Unknown from God or a Creator to ourselves.
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Post by packdog on Jul 26, 2016 16:31:24 GMT -5
Better ask the congregation if you can post this. The political correctness has finally hit the CTM. I don't want it to be a political correct type of place, Jeff. Think that's one of the things that is really messing things up in our country. Now I'm all fucked up oops
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Post by packdog on Jul 26, 2016 16:33:34 GMT -5
aww, man. i was just getting started. i can refrain if wanted but i do not intend to be volatile. can't speak for others though. what happened?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 16:34:04 GMT -5
Doc, if you look at the other forums they all discuss this stuff. Sometimes people will get mad and upset. It happens all the time. It's part of life. I think Saska and Packdog and Danb could have a good conversation. Maybe. But once someone gets so high up on their horse that everyone else is a blipity blip blip, things go bad. It seems to cool down quick. And if you look at the person who left, also left the other forums.
We want our 3am Eddie back. haha. It's off season and chit happens. I have gotten mad and left. I cool down and come back.
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Post by Doc on Jul 26, 2016 16:34:43 GMT -5
I don't want it to be a political correct type of place, Jeff. Think that's one of the things that is really messing things up in our country. Now I'm all fucked up oops Yeah, not sure if you noticed or not, but Saska deleted his account here.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 16:35:33 GMT -5
aww, man. i was just getting started. i can refrain if wanted but i do not intend to be volatile. can't speak for others though. what happened? Craig pissed Saska off and he deleted his account. Craig is a nasty person.
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Post by Jeppers on Jul 26, 2016 16:37:16 GMT -5
Once you abandon your principles,you have nothing left. You have been had. You are a shell. I wont abandon my principles for noone. Not even my own kids. I'm at a crossroads on this still, Jeff. I truly would like for the place to expand, but also don't want it to be some politically correct type of place, where you can't have an opinion on touchy topics. There is such a thin line between the two, that I don't know what to do right now. I am not a shell, lol. I am still the same person I have always been, but maybe a tad bit more mature and less temperamental. LOL Im not talking about you directly. I mean anyone who does that. In general.
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Post by packdog on Jul 26, 2016 16:37:48 GMT -5
Yeah, not sure if you noticed or not, but Saska deleted his account here. no, i have been recovering from surgery and haven't looked here in a few days. was also bust doing a slow draft with the folks at rotoworld as i recovered since i was nominated(you can go there and see in the "my leagues" section of their forums if ya wanna see how i did). i don't want to make a big deal. did i start it with my post a week ago?
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Post by packdog on Jul 26, 2016 16:39:49 GMT -5
aww, man. i was just getting started. i can refrain if wanted but i do not intend to be volatile. can't speak for others though. what happened? It's basically all still there to view on the "scary where this country is headed" thread.... Outside of a post or two. bad craig. he seemed like he would reasonable with me and displayed interest.
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Post by Doc on Jul 26, 2016 16:43:11 GMT -5
We want our 3am Eddie back. haha. It's off season and chit happens. I have gotten mad and left. I cool down and come back. You sure about that(3am Eddie)? I think he may just make an appearance tonight, after all this fucking shit, like....
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