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Post by Doc on Jul 26, 2016 16:46:30 GMT -5
Yeah, not sure if you noticed or not, but Saska deleted his account here. no, i have been recovering from surgery and haven't looked here in a few days. was also bust doing a slow draft with the folks at rotoworld as i recovered since i was nominated(you can go there and see in the "my leagues" section of their forums if ya wanna see how i did). i don't want to make a big deal. did i start it with my post a week ago? Oh, hope you are feeling better. No, it wasn't your post that started anything. It was my response to Saska about gender fluid madness.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 16:46:53 GMT -5
Poor packdog. I think he prepared a long story. I say let him say it all. Maybe it will entice Saska to come back if he is reading it. Saska would love to discuss it with him I'm sure.
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Post by divebitch on Jul 26, 2016 17:01:31 GMT -5
Poor packdog. I think he prepared a long story. I say let him say it all. Maybe it will entice Saska to come back if he is reading it. Saska would love to discuss it with him I'm sure. Would be nice. Hey, I like Saska a whole lot, but IDK if we could bring him back. If all agree he's an excellent member except when you get fired up on religion and politics, we'd have to present a zero tolerance and discussion threshhold for 'discourse', short for discussion intercourse, technically speaking I believe. haha He can talk to packdog, and everyone else ignore. Except me if I care.
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Post by Jeppers on Jul 26, 2016 17:08:00 GMT -5
My Pm to Saska before he left.
I dont want you to leave. Im not gonna be hateful to you. I will disagree plenty. U can be hateful all you want. It wont be reciprocated.
His response.
Yeah, you're great at saying hateful, harmful rhetoric and then acting all nice after. I have no interest in interacting with you. That novelty is played out.
I would say go back and look at the entire convo and see who was hateful....but its gone. Craig and Jeffrey knows.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 17:09:16 GMT -5
Well I'm willing to not respond to him about politics or religion. It has never ended well. But I will stand by my statement that "it was not all that bad back then" The only right they did not have that they have now is to marry. You are not that young Dive, do you know any gay that was put in jail or lives destroyed? Heck back when I got married we had to take a blood test. If you were not compatible to have kids you could not get married. Things were just different. Saska could not understand my stance, because he read it in a book. Hollywood was pretty open about gays and lesbians. That's the way I remember it. Of course most gays that were in sports stayed in the closet. But they were not destroyed.
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Post by packdog on Jul 26, 2016 17:11:49 GMT -5
Poor packdog. I think he prepared a long story. I say let him say it all. Maybe it will entice Saska to come back if he is reading it. Saska would love to discuss it with him I'm sure. no, i just wanted a dialogue with him. he seemed willing. that's the first step. i learned a long time ago you have to take into account people believe what they do for very good reasons. i understand where he would come from and i was hoping for a civil back and forth. i wasn't gonna label my view as superior or downplay his. i read that thread and, yeah, for a message board you have to have a bit of thick skin because people will just mouth off counter beliefs to what you believe. the trick is to not get offended and combative and instead attempt to understand where they are coming from. if you can't do that it won't progress. i am not sure he would've remained amiable but i was willing to and he gave me the opportunity
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 17:14:55 GMT -5
Poor packdog. I think he prepared a long story. I say let him say it all. Maybe it will entice Saska to come back if he is reading it. Saska would love to discuss it with him I'm sure. no, i just wanted a dialogue with him. he seemed willing. that's the first step. i learned a long time ago you have to take into account people believe what they do for very good reasons. i understand where he would come from and i was hoping for a civil back and forth. i wasn't gonna label my view as superior or downplay his. i read that thread and, yeah, for a message board you have to have a bit of thick skin because will just mouth off counter beliefs to what you believe. the trick is to not get offended and combative and instead attempt to understand where they are coming from. if you can't do that it won't progress. haha, that's not the packdog of years ago. Scuppers might agree. I like the new Packdog. I remember you being quite aggressive. Which is fine.
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Post by packdog on Jul 26, 2016 17:24:40 GMT -5
no, i just wanted a dialogue with him. he seemed willing. that's the first step. i learned a long time ago you have to take into account people believe what they do for very good reasons. i understand where he would come from and i was hoping for a civil back and forth. i wasn't gonna label my view as superior or downplay his. i read that thread and, yeah, for a message board you have to have a bit of thick skin because will just mouth off counter beliefs to what you believe. the trick is to not get offended and combative and instead attempt to understand where they are coming from. if you can't do that it won't progress. haha, that's not the packdog of years ago. Scuppers might agree. I like the new Packdog. I remember you being quite aggressive. Which is fine. haha, yeah, though that wasn't really me either. something just got the better of me and i kept at it. i was fiery too on an atheist site i used to debate on back then. i stopped because i got perspective on a lot of them by reading their intro's. some of them had very good reason's to believe what they did and i developed a deeper understanding of their perspective. i tried to go back but they banned me apparently and i decided to let em be instead of making a new account. i now approach these topics in a different matter. if someone isn't gonna listen to and understand you, they ain't gonna take anything you say seriously. oddly, humor can often be the breaker of that first barrier
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Post by packdog on Jul 26, 2016 17:36:29 GMT -5
Poor packdog. I think he prepared a long story. I say let him say it all. Maybe it will entice Saska to come back if he is reading it. Saska would love to discuss it with him I'm sure. no, i just wanted a dialogue with him. he seemed willing. that's the first step. i learned a long time ago you have to take into account people believe what they do for very good reasons. i understand where he would come from and i was hoping for a civil back and forth. i wasn't gonna label my view as superior or downplay his. i read that thread and, yeah, for a message board you have to have a bit of thick skin because people will just mouth off counter beliefs to what you believe. the trick is to not get offended and combative and instead attempt to understand where they are coming from. if you can't do that it won't progress. i am not sure he would've remained amiable but i was willing to and he gave me the opportunity this only goes for serious topics. i sure do know more and am always right about fantasy football. oh yeah, it's true
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Post by Jeppers on Jul 26, 2016 17:43:57 GMT -5
no, i just wanted a dialogue with him. he seemed willing. that's the first step. i learned a long time ago you have to take into account people believe what they do for very good reasons. i understand where he would come from and i was hoping for a civil back and forth. i wasn't gonna label my view as superior or downplay his. i read that thread and, yeah, for a message board you have to have a bit of thick skin because people will just mouth off counter beliefs to what you believe. the trick is to not get offended and combative and instead attempt to understand where they are coming from. if you can't do that it won't progress. i am not sure he would've remained amiable but i was willing to and he gave me the opportunity this only goes for serious topics. i sure do know more and am always right about fantasy football. oh yeah, it's true LOL was that a Kurt Angle reference?
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Post by packdog on Jul 26, 2016 17:46:01 GMT -5
this only goes for serious topics. i sure do know more and am always right about fantasy football. oh yeah, it's true LOL was that a Kurt Angle reference? it wasn't intended to be but right after i typed i thought of him too. lol
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Post by Jeppers on Jul 26, 2016 17:48:32 GMT -5
LOL was that a Kurt Angle reference? it wasn't intended to be but right after i typed i thought of him too. lol
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Post by divebitch on Jul 26, 2016 17:54:21 GMT -5
My Pm to Saska before he left.I dont want you to leave. Im not gonna be hateful to you. I will disagree plenty. U can be hateful all you want. It wont be reciprocated. His response.Yeah, you're great at saying hateful, harmful rhetoric and then acting all nice after. I have no interest in interacting with you. That novelty is played out. I would say go back and look at the entire convo and see who was hateful....but its gone. Craig and Jeffrey knows. Then I'll take your word for it. Hope you know I wasn't taking sides as far as what was actually said. Just wished the escalation could've been prevented. If he wasn't his own worst enemy, he could come back and say so. We are all open to it. We each have our idiosyncratic ways, but I think we know each other enough - I trust you guys.
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Post by packdog on Jul 26, 2016 18:12:47 GMT -5
In all fairness, you wanna have a discussion w/Saska, ya might wanna post it at the old place nflfanforums.proboards.com/ - either he or Jin will see it. No need to hold it hostage here. lol You can surely post it here too. But I'd have some doubt as to whether or not he'll be back at all if not any time soon. eh, ain't no biggie. maybe i will. maybe i won't. i was looking forward to it but i am not sure he woulda been what i was looking for anyway. he just expressed interest so i was gonna give him a shot. besides, it's almost football time and my forum activities are gonna be swamped with fantasy stuff soon enough. lol. between here and rotoworld i'll be busy. and there's always the 18,000 youtube comment debates i am engaged in at any given time. that'll do for now
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Post by steelers1954 on Jul 26, 2016 18:40:56 GMT -5
In all fairness, you wanna have a discussion w/Saska, ya might wanna post it at the old place nflfanforums.proboards.com/ - either he or Jin will see it. No need to hold it hostage here. lol You can surely post it here too. But I'd have some doubt as to whether or not he'll be back at all if not any time soon. eh, ain't no biggie. maybe i will. maybe i won't. i was looking forward to it but i am not sure he woulda been what i was looking for anyway. he just expressed interest so i was gonna give him a shot. besides, it's almost football time and my forum activities are gonna be swamped with fantasy stuff soon enough. lol. between here and rotoworld i'll be busy. and there's always the 18,000 youtube comment debates i am engaged in at any given time. that'll do for now You can call it that but what he really was doing was feeling you out. I've had enough discussion with him to know that he will side step you when you present information to him that he does not agree with and if you let him he will run you in circles. He says he just wants to learn the facts, the problem with that is if your facts/information comes from anybody in any field that is a Christian believer he will discredit the source you used an. he is not as open minded as he lets on.
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