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Nov 6, 2017 15:46:38 GMT -5
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Post by indydave on Nov 6, 2017 15:46:38 GMT -5
Well that game could have gone a little better..... Well, normally I'd say sorry for your loss, but you know I can't say it this week. lol What happened to the "No Fly Zone"? I'll tell you what I think. Carson Wentz is a very smart QB, and this is just his second season. He puts in a LOT of time dissecting game tape. First one in, last one out type shit. He puts in the work to prepare himself and it certainly shows. Sound like somebody you know of, Indy? That's right, I'll say it; he has some elements that remind me of Peyton a bit. Recognizing what he's seeing and switching plays at the line. He's also gotten really good with his "cadence" at the line, drawing defenders offsides and what not. Also makes it much harder for them to jump the snap count. I never expected 50+ points though. Shit, most didn't think they'd combine for that many. Helluva game. Awesome freaking time to be an Eagles fan right now. We've been flyin' high, and I ain't gonna lie, it feels great. Soakin' it all up now like the sun at the beach. Oh, sorry, did I turn this into an Eagles thread? Oops. My bad The Defense looked bad, blown coverage and not enough pressure. Yes I agree Wentz has that Manning like factor to him but that game was mismanaged and poorly adjusted to by the Broncos staff. We need better coaching, schemes and a QB that like completing passes to his own team in the end zone..... I will comment on your team in the appropriate thread
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Nov 6, 2017 20:31:52 GMT -5
Post by divebitch on Nov 6, 2017 20:31:52 GMT -5
Well that game could have gone a little better..... What happened to the "No Fly Zone"? I'll tell you what I think. Carson Wentz is a very smart QB, and this is just his second season. He puts in a LOT of time dissecting game tape. First one in, last one out type shit. He puts in the work to prepare himself and it certainly shows. Sound like somebody you know of, Indy? That's right, I'll say it; he has some elements that remind me of Peyton a bit. The Defense looked bad, blown coverage and not enough pressure. Yes I agree Wentz has that Manning like factor to him but that game was mismanaged and poorly adjusted to by the Broncos staff. We need better coaching, schemes and a QB that like completing passes to his own team in the end zone..... I will comment on your team in the appropriate thread Kill 2 birds with one stone here... I have to put the largest part of the blame on the new HC. Now, IDK any details of his tenure of breadth of responsibilities. But the Broncos started the season off strong. They've disintegrated on both sides of the football, but of course the phenomenal defense is taking longer. But we see it. Interesting with Osweiler. The Cleveland Browns said 'no thank you'. And settled on someone (Kizer) who was out partying after a losing previous week, instead of arriving early and leaving late, like Wentz. lol To say Wentz's success was because of this is silly, but it does say lots about who that person is - drive, dedication, responsibility, leadership. Bottom line, it's mistakes at the highest level that result in failure - finding a QB that can complete passes to his own teams involves more than physical gifts. I know you said nothing to the contrary, but certain things baffle me, like why Osweiler is still not only in the league, but able to capitalize in the most unimaginable way. Maybe it's the good looks. What else can it be?!? Right place at the right time/injury?
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Nov 7, 2017 10:06:02 GMT -5
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Post by indydave on Nov 7, 2017 10:06:02 GMT -5
Osweiler is back because hes cheap and knows the system apparently, he also had a couple good games for the Orange and blue
I think the coaching staff needs an overhaul and a new system should be implemented. Manning isnt the QB and the system should change to reflect the regression in skill and intelligence.
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Nov 7, 2017 11:55:27 GMT -5
Post by Doc on Nov 7, 2017 11:55:27 GMT -5
I like the Broncos. Think having Elway in as executive vice president of football operations and general manager is a good thing for DEN. One of the best to ever play the QB position, and he surely knows his shit. It's just gonna take some time though. It's hard to win consistently without a competent QB. That's why I respect Elway even more.
Point in case: When Peyton called it quits, they were in desperate need for a replacement. Brock and his agent were asking for a ridiculous four-year, $72 million contract ($37 million guaranteed). Of course, HOU was stupid enough to oblige. Luckily for them, CLE is still an NFL organization. Elway was having none of that. Kick rocks mofo, lol. That would've set them back even further. CLE is STILL paying off that old contract that HOU dumped on them(SMH), and Elway ended up getting Brock back for next to nothing. Kudos to Elway and the front office there.
At some point though, they've got to give Paxton Lynch a shot here. I know they're hesitant to hand over the reigns to him right now, since they're still technically in the hunt for a playoff spot. However, I don't see any good reasons to continue starting Brock or Siemian over Paxton moving forward.
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Nov 7, 2017 12:42:38 GMT -5
Post by Doc on Nov 7, 2017 12:42:38 GMT -5
Okay, so in the case of Paxton Lynch, this is the story DEN is putting out:
Vance Joseph: Paxton Lynch still isn't physically ready
The Denver Broncos sticking with Brock Osweiler under center leaves one big question floating in the thin Mile High air: What's the deal with Paxton Lynch?
The former first-round pick suffered a shoulder injury in the third game of the preseason and finally began practicing again last week. Lynch struggled in brief stints last season, but he would bring a needed mobility behind a porous offensive line. Frankly, he can't be much worse than what Broncos fans have watched from their quarterbacks the past few weeks, right?
Coach Vance Joseph suggested Monday that Lynch is behind both physically and mentally due to the preseason injury.
"What I meant by that is physically he's been hurt," Joseph clarified Monday, via the Denver Post. "He played his last football game in Week 3 of the preseason and he threw for four days prior to our last game. That's the physical part. The mental part, I was speaking more to that he hasn't played football. He hasn't been on the football field. ... Not his lack of football IQ. I wasn't talking about that. I was more talking about time on the job. He's missed so much time, so to put him in an NFL game Week 10 wouldn't be fair to our football team or fair to Paxton. That's what I meant."
They better get him up to speed, and fast, imho.
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Nov 7, 2017 13:18:23 GMT -5
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Post by indydave on Nov 7, 2017 13:18:23 GMT -5
Lynch was beat out last year by Siemian, and hasn't shown much to indicate hes an elite talent or even a competent starter. Id like to see the Broncos take a run at Cousins in the off season if the redskins dont resign him. They also need a new Coaching staff and I will keep on that point until it happens.
I agree having Elway as the GM is a good thing and he has done a good job. He will make the appropriate changes and put this team in a position to succeed.
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Nov 7, 2017 16:07:59 GMT -5
Post by Doc on Nov 7, 2017 16:07:59 GMT -5
Lynch was beat out last year by Siemian, and hasn't shown much to indicate hes an elite talent or even a competent starter. I'm in no way implicating Lynch will be a competent starter, let alone a possible elite, lol. I'm just saying, they did use a draft pick on him, so I don't see much harm on seeing what he does in live game action; maybe let's say 3 games this season at some point?
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Nov 7, 2017 16:10:03 GMT -5
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Post by indydave on Nov 7, 2017 16:10:03 GMT -5
Lynch was beat out last year by Siemian, and hasn't shown much to indicate hes an elite talent or even a competent starter. I'm in no way implicating Lynch will be a competent starter, let alone a possible elite, lol. I'm just saying, they did use a draft pick on him, so I don't see much harm on seeing what he does in live game action; maybe let's say 3 games this season at some point? Ok, yes it would be nice to see what our first round pick has. You have a valid point so let the man play
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Nov 27, 2017 19:37:30 GMT -5
Post by Doc on Nov 27, 2017 19:37:30 GMT -5
Lynch was beat out last year by Siemian, and hasn't shown much to indicate hes an elite talent or even a competent starter. Well, at least he did get an opportunity to start a game. Unfortunately, I hear he looked really bad for 3 quarters before he got hurt, and that Siemian made an immediate impact right afterwards. Will this be his last chance with the Broncos, considering he's expected to be injured for possibly 2-4 weeks? What do they do with Lynch this offseason and going forward? Do they continue trying to develop him? Do they keep him on the roster as a backup? I don't know what the cap situation will be like in DEN this offseason, but they may just go all in for Cousins, who is set to be getting paid an extraordinary amount of money. I doubt Cousins will ever live up to whatever expectations his next contract will bring.
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Nov 28, 2017 8:54:46 GMT -5
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Post by indydave on Nov 28, 2017 8:54:46 GMT -5
Lynch was beat out last year by Siemian, and hasn't shown much to indicate hes an elite talent or even a competent starter. Well, at least he did get an opportunity to start a game. Unfortunately, I hear he looked really bad for 3 quarters before he got hurt, and that Siemian made an immediate impact right afterwards. Will this be his last chance with the Broncos, considering he's expected to be injured for possibly 2-4 weeks? What do they do with Lynch this offseason and going forward? Do they continue trying to develop him? Do they keep him on the roster as a backup? I don't know what the cap situation will be like in DEN this offseason, but they may just go all in for Cousins, who is set to be getting paid an extraordinary amount of money. I doubt Cousins will ever live up to whatever expectations his next contract will bring. Lynch will probably get another year unless the staff has already determined hes a bust and are wanting to move on. My bet is on one more year as they did use a 1st on him. First rounders tend to get more time as the cost of scouting and 1st round salary are significantly higher then later round picks. Cousins has shown to be a top 15 QB in the league, I dont see that changing but I also dont see him as an elite pivot either. Hes not Rodgers, Ryan or Brees but he is in the same realm as Rivers and Stafford. With that Denver Defense the Broncos dont need 2004 Peyton, they just need someone that can put up 20-25 points/game, limit 3 and outs, and not turn the ball over. Cousins could be that guy but at what cost? He's not worth more then Detroit Matt but you know like I do hes going to get paid and that makes me nervous. Patriots keep winning because of shrewd personal decisions and not overpaying...EVER!! Broncos cant afford to handicap the team with a massive salary or other key positions will suffer. I still think the entire coaching staff needs an overhaul but who knows if that will happen. Teams that retain the coaches and dont have a revolving door tend to do better like the Steelers and teams the burn through staff in hopes of getting better are the Browns so I dont want that..... I could see them bringing in Eli if the Giants move on from him. It would be a cool story line but it would also be a short term play and then it would be imperative that they draft a QB and develop him properly under the little Brother. OR.... Maybe they offer picks to the Colts for Luck and call it a day!
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Post by indydave on Jan 3, 2018 9:13:24 GMT -5
We are keeping the HC? Really? Is Elway drinking Cleveland water from the Browns water cooler? Why not go after a former DC in Jack Del Rio? He is a good coach and did great things with the team when he was there and he did a good job turning the Raiders into a respectable team.
I guess having the time of your life, holding players accountable and being liked by those players is more important then wins
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Post by indydave on Jan 3, 2018 9:26:58 GMT -5
Also Reports are coming out that the Broncos are going to make a big offer to Cousins. So there is that
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Jan 3, 2018 11:21:56 GMT -5
Post by steelers1954 on Jan 3, 2018 11:21:56 GMT -5
Also Reports are coming out that the Broncos are going to make a big offer to Cousins. So there is that Washington could've/should've signed him instead of the money they gave him with the franchise tag. If they lose Cousins they got nobody to blame but themselves. I think he would do well in Denver.
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Jan 3, 2018 11:27:32 GMT -5
Post by indydave on Jan 3, 2018 11:27:32 GMT -5
Also Reports are coming out that the Broncos are going to make a big offer to Cousins. So there is that Washington could've/should've signed him instead of the money they gave him with the franchise tag. If they lose Cousins they got nobody to blame but themselves. I think he would do well in Denver. I think it would be a great move for him. Denver has enough weapons for him to work with and that Defense is a lot better then they showed this year. A few key moves and I think the team is back to respectability. I'd like to see a boost on the O-line and a change to the coaching staff.
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Feb 28, 2018 20:21:25 GMT -5
Post by Doc on Feb 28, 2018 20:21:25 GMT -5
I'm thinking they could be in for a bidding war with MIN to get Cousins. However, there may be some other available options. Some other "possibilities": Case Keenum, Blake Bortles, Nick Foles, Eli Manning, Sam Bradford, Teddy Bridgewater or Tyrod Taylor. indydave & divebitch- You're both Broncos fans. Who would be your top choices, outside of Cousins, if all the others listed are available options?
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