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Post by steelers1954 on Dec 5, 2018 19:50:29 GMT -5
Head-2-Head had nothing to do with Jeffb losing 1st round bye You're right Head to Head had nothing to do with it and that's why Jeff is pissed that he didn't get the 1st round bye over Mr.Lacy & Packdog. Jeff beat Mr.Lacy & Packdog head to head but lost the 1st round bye because of Points For as the Tie Breaker an that's why he's pissed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2018 20:01:14 GMT -5
I try to keep my life simple. That is why I make sure I never qualify for a bye due to head to head or points.
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Post by Doc on Dec 5, 2018 20:43:17 GMT -5
listen to what I'm saying. I'm not pushing for Head to Head as the tie breaker. What I was saying is that no matter what you have as the tie breaker someone's going bitch when it doesn't go their way. I understand that. However, I make the rules in my own league, according to what I perceive as fair. You and Beverly make changes to your leagues, without voting, and nobody gives you no shit. I'm just standing strong on a few things I consider important to parity, while voting on the rest, and I'm given the riot act? Why the fuck do you all want to give me shit over EVERYTHING?
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Post by steelers1954 on Dec 5, 2018 21:21:16 GMT -5
Calm down I'm not giving you the riot act. Why the fuck do you all want to give me shit over EVERYTHING? I'm not giving you shit all I've been trying to do his give you input on the statements you've made.
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Post by Doc on Dec 5, 2018 21:22:18 GMT -5
One day, when I'm gone, ya'll will realize that I was the glue to keep us all together. Silly talk, right? Show some respect. Not too much to ask while I'm still here, is it? Fuckin' ungrateful vagrants(certain few). lmao I consider us a family, but tired of being shit on at every given opportunity. Fuck the assholes waiting on any and every opportunity to criticize ME (you know who you are).
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Post by Doc on Dec 5, 2018 22:37:11 GMT -5
You're right Head to Head had nothing to do with it and that's why Jeff is pissed that he didn't get the 1st round bye over Mr.Lacy & Packdog. Jeff beat Mr.Lacy & Packdog head to head but lost the 1st round bye because of Points For as the Tie Breaker an that's why he's pissed. Jeffb had a better record than Packdog, but divisional settings gave Packdog the first round bye. I'd be pissed if I were Jeffb too. I have no freaking idea what you're talking about? There were only two 8-5 teams. Jeffb was one of them. Didn't come down to a tie-breaker. Every other record was below 8-5. Jeffb didn't get a bye. How can that be justified? Pass me what you're smoking please.
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Post by steelers1954 on Dec 5, 2018 23:05:33 GMT -5
I consider us a family, but tired of being shit on at every given opportunity. Fuck the assholes waiting on any and every opportunity to criticize ME (you know who you are). I guess that's directed to me cause I've been the main person responding to this issue, if that's how ya feel fine. I see you deleted the Fuck You Video. Don't worry I won't shit on you anymore I guess it's my time to go,I'm tired of the rants and hearing I was just joking. I got a lot to think about. I make the rules in my own league[/b]That's what I've been saying all along even though you say it's our league. I was the glue to keep us all together. That may be but I am the one that has kept this league running as smoothly as it has.
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Post by Doc on Dec 5, 2018 23:56:48 GMT -5
I'm tired of the rants and hearing I was just joking. Yes, because that's such an often occurrence here, right? Got to be fucking kidding me. We've been around for close to a decade here, and you're gonna go Beverly on me and tell me you're tired of the rants? Jesus Christ. We were talking about rule changes, and you started getting all personally butt hurt for whatever reason. It was strange. I don't even understand why you started acting that way in the first place. I'll bet it's my politics, and maybe Trump Derangement Syndrome on your part? Yup. No doubt. You, Beverly, and your entire family are all liberals. You should stick together. Can't believe you take your misdirected hate out on me. Whatever. Edit: We should work this out for rest of season.
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Post by Doc on Dec 6, 2018 1:40:27 GMT -5
I make the rules in my own leagueThat's fucking bullshit. EVERY rule up until this week, I've allowed everyone to vote on, right up to the very draft date. Now you want to paint a different picture? You changed shit in your league without telling anybody. Can't fucking believe you're gonna turn on me over some stupid ass bullshit. You are full of shit if you keep that stance. Don't fuck our friendship over some nonsense...
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Post by Jeppers on Dec 6, 2018 9:24:03 GMT -5
Wow.
Well for what it's worth Iam pissed and anyone would be and if it was anyone else I wouldn't blame them for being so. No way that me having the best record and still no bye. That being said..... I do agree with Eddie on everything except I don't agree with points for being first tie breaker.
TO be continued........
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Post by Jeppers on Dec 6, 2018 14:39:05 GMT -5
Furthermore...Eddie says FF aint the NFL.
In all my yeats of playing this game I have always joined leagues or created ones that mimic the nFL as close as possible.
Hence the head to head tiebreaker.
If points were the thing that determines who goes to playoffs and gets byes,then why even play head to head?
This is the same argument of why have divisions?
I'll tell you why have divisions....because we need a structure of the schedule where we play an even number of games throughout the year. That is whats going to determine,the final spots.
In other words....As it is set now,in both NFFL and CTM...we have a shcedule structure to where we play each person in our own division twice,and play outside the division once. That makes right at 13 games and that is perfect for a 10 team league.
Without the structure of that schedule,we may play a team 3 times or maybe only once. This is the exact reason why MY MFL league may go extinct. There is not an even amount of games played against every member of the league.
Now we can do what Beverly does. Only thing is Im not sure what Beverly's tiebreaker is. This is what it says....
Playoff Tie-Breaker: Best regular season record vs opponent wins.
All I know is she has a good setup. She has divisions and the seeding is done properly. Also if Im not mistaken you play each team in your division twice and outside of it once. Very easy to break ties.
If you have a split with anyone ,,,say 1-1 against a team,then you should use points for a tiebreaker. Then and only then.
The NFL will not do that,as they have a convoluted way of breaking ties such as divison record,conference record and so on and so on.
We do not need to make it that difficult but head to head tiebreaker is standard stuff.
Jeffrey...With all due respect...I didnt know the tiebreaker procedure in your league and even if I did theres certainly no way to justify another team with a worse record getting a bye over a team with a better record.....divisions or not.
Yes thats the way the NFL plays it....but even they are thinking about changing that.
Also....if we dont have divisions,,like my other yahoo league Im in..there is a chance that we dont play each other evenly as yahoo creates the schedule.
BUT...Look at what the tiebreaking procedure is there...
Playoff Tie-Breaker: Best regular season record vs opponent wins.
Same as Beverly's.
Come on guys this isnt hard.
We can get along too while we are figuring it out.
certainly cooler heads can prevail here?
I dont think noone is attacking anyone,its just that yall are taking it personally.
Same problem we are having in MFL.
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Post by divebitch on Dec 6, 2018 17:03:40 GMT -5
However, I was unaware that splitting into divisions had any effect (outside of optics)when we switched it to divisions back in 2014. Just figured record & points for was still the end all. This was the first time (earlier this season)I've noticed it can decide who gets a bye week. I don't like that. I'm pretty sure I explained all this to you and how it work before we switched to divisions. I still say having 2 Divisions is not a Problem and I have the facts to back it up. 2014: Teams with 1st round bye - Rockin' the Burgh 10-3 & Deadly Pistols 9-4 2015: Teams with 1st round bye - No Condiments 11-2 & Rockin' the Burgh 9-4 2016: Teams with 1st round bye - The Mighty Whites 9-4 & Dive on the Move 8-5 2017: Teams with 1st round bye - Jeppers 9-4 & DirtyBirds 8-5 2018: Teams with 1st round bye - The Mighty Whites 11-2 & O Say Quon U C 9-4 The 2 best teams have had the 1st round byes since we went to having Divisions,therefore your argument doesn't hold water. I can't imagine giving up a first round bye to someone else with a worse record and/or less 'points for' scored on tied records, simply because one team was in a weaker division. In the case a team getting a 1st bye with a worse record only because they were in a weaker division could be changed by using the Edit Playoff Teams. You say the 2 best teams have had the 1st round byes. Nothing in anything you sad after that backed that up. It doesn't say how many or who else had better pts for. It doesn't even say W-L, but I'm assuming it was #1 in each division. So, sorry, I'm very confused as to what you're trying to say or prove here. Big Dog (Indydave) would've finished 1st w/pts for, and he's 4th. Neil (11-2) is the only one that had less than 2k pts scored against - 4th in pts scored. So IDK. We can leave it at 'more fun and competitive on a weekly basis OR make it more fair. Don't get me wrong. My 2 league are just that unfair, so are most leagues. I'm in the same dilemma, not sure if it's worth changing just to be that much more fair. IOW, the way it is is unfair for everyone. lol
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Post by steelers1954 on Dec 6, 2018 17:43:59 GMT -5
Jeffrey...With all due respect...I didnt know the tiebreaker procedure in your league and even if I did theres certainly no way to justify another team with a worse record getting a bye over a team with a better record.....divisions or not. The Standing Tiebreaker has been Points For since 2013. The way it's set up at NFL.com it leaves you little to choose from. Yes I understand where you're coming from & I didn't expect to see the 2nd division with a 7-6 record but it does show that the teams were pretty balanced throughout the league this year. At the time the only Options NFL offers are Points For,Head to Head,Division Record & Points Against. Hopefully they will make changes an have better options than we have now. If not I'll get with you and see how it can be set-up. I dont think noone is attacking anyone,its just that yall are taking it personally. I'm not attacking & I'm not the one taking it personal.
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Post by steelers1954 on Dec 6, 2018 18:06:33 GMT -5
We were talking about rule changes, and you started getting all personally butt hurt for whatever reason. It was strange. I don't even understand why you started acting that way in the first place. I was not getting butt hurt so I don't know where you getting that from. Can't believe you take your misdirected hate out on me. Whatever. In everything I've posted here so far I have not said anything hateful to you nor do I hate you. I'll bet it's my politics, and maybe Trump Derangement Syndrome on your part? It has nothing to do with your politics but lately you've been so obsessed with politics that the moment someone doesn't agree with you it turns political.
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Post by steelers1954 on Dec 6, 2018 18:25:47 GMT -5
Yup. No doubt. You, Beverly, and your entire family are all liberals. You should stick together. Now you've crossed a line that should not have been crossed,you can leave my family out of this. Can't fucking believe you're gonna turn on me I'm not trying to turn on you in any way. I think part of this no division stuff is because of what happened in my league. All I've been trying to tell you is that the divisions are not the problem, the biggest problem is the over valued players. Don't fuck our friendship over some nonsense... I'm not. The truth is and you've said it to me over the phone,where you implied that our friendship only exists as long as I stay in the league. I've been nothing but open & honest you with, I've stood by & supported you and tried to lift you up when you've been down. And this is how you treat me.
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